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Talking About Horsepower Without Considering Gearbox and Weight Is Nonsense

Talking About Horsepower Without Considering Gearbox and Weight Is Nonsense

Talking About Horsepower Without Considering Gearbox and Weight Is Nonsense
Original Author: Fisher Discount
Updated: November 21, 2024


🚗 Horsepower vs. Reality: How to Judge Performance 🚗

Don’t just rely on horsepower to compare vehicles! ⚖️ Factors like weight and gear ratios are equally critical. Let’s explore:


🛠️ Key Metrics for Comparison:
Power-to-Weight Ratio
Virtual Torque-to-Weight Ratio
Gearbox and Suspension Design

💡 Fun Fact: A Civic outperforms a Jetta despite similar specs due to better torque utilization!



Before diving into the topic, let’s look at some comparative numbers:

1983 Honda City Turbo II (FA): ER-T engine, max power: 110 hp @ 5000 rpm, max torque: 16.3 kg·m @ 3000 rpm, 5MT, 4.066 final drive, weight: 735 kg, power-to-weight ratio: 149.6 hp/ton.
Civic EF9 with DOHC VTEC (First Model): B16A engine, max power: 160 hp @ 7600 rpm, max torque: 15.5 kg·m @ 7000 rpm, 5MT, 4.266 final drive, weight: 1050 kg, power-to-weight ratio: 152.38 hp/ton.
1993 Honda Accord SiR (CD7): H22A engine, max power: 190 hp @ 6800 rpm, max torque: 21 kg·m @ 5500 rpm, 5MT, 4.266 final drive, weight: 1330 kg, power-to-weight ratio: 142.8 hp/ton.
2006 JDM Civic 2.0L (FD2): K20A engine, max power: 155 hp @ 6000 rpm, max torque: 19.2 kg·m @ 4500 rpm, 5MT, 4.562 final drive, weight: 1300 kg, power-to-weight ratio: 119.2 hp/ton.
2013 Honda Odyssey 2.4 (RC1): K24W engine, max power: 175 hp @ 6200 rpm, max torque: 23 kg·m @ 4000 rpm, CVT, 5.047 final drive, weight: 1780 kg, power-to-weight ratio: 98.3 hp/ton (Absolute versions may offer slightly higher power).

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The Real Deal About Horsepower Comparisons
Today, automotive media—especially self-proclaimed online "experts"—often compare engines from different manufacturers: "Brand A’s 2.0T has 200 hp, while Brand B’s 2.0T has 250 hp, so B must be better." Such shallow comparisons often overlook critical factors like the vehicle’s weight and gearbox, leading to misguided conclusions.

For a more meaningful comparison, factors like power-to-weight ratio are essential. These numbers, which used to be included in promotional materials, give consumers a clearer picture of performance rather than relying solely on advertised horsepower.

Case Study: Comparing Two Honda Models
A: 10th-Gen Civic (FC1): L15B8 turbo engine, max power: 177 hp @ 5500 rpm, max torque: 22.4 kg·m @ 1700–5500 rpm, weight: 1302 kg, power-to-weight ratio: 136 hp/ton.
B: Honda CR-V (RW1): L15BL turbo engine, max power: 193 hp @ 5600 rpm, max torque: 24.8 kg·m @ 2000–5000 rpm, weight: 1519 kg, power-to-weight ratio: 127 hp/ton.


At first glance, the Civic’s power-to-weight ratio suggests it should outperform the CR-V. However, in real-world driving, the CR-V doesn’t lag behind, especially in overtaking scenarios. The reason lies not just in raw horsepower but in factors like torque amplification through the final drive ratio.

Introducing "Virtual Torque-to-Weight Ratio"
While unofficial, this metric can provide insights when choosing between closely matched vehicles, particularly automatics and CVTs. The formula is:

Max Torque (kg
\cdotp
m) × Final Drive Ratio ÷ Vehicle Weight (tons)
=
Virtual Torque-to-Weight Ratio
Max Torque (kg\cdotpm) × Final Drive Ratio ÷ Vehicle Weight (tons)=Virtual Torque-to-Weight Ratio
FC1: 22.4 × 4.81 ÷ 1.302 = 82.75 kg·m/ton
RW1: 24.8 × 5.64 ÷ 1.519 = 92.08 kg·m/ton
FK8 Type R: 40.8 × 4.11 ÷ 1.38 = 121.5 kg·m/ton
The CR-V’s higher torque and final drive ratio give it an edge in low-to-mid-speed acceleration, despite a lower power-to-weight ratio.

Comparison with the Competition
Let’s compare two C-segment vehicles: the 2019 VW Jetta 1.4T (A7) and the 2018 Honda Civic 1.5T (FC1):

Power-to-Weight Ratio:
Jetta: 148 hp, 1365 kg → 108.4 hp/ton
Civic: 179 hp, 1309 kg → 136.7 hp/ton
Virtual Torque-to-Weight Ratio:
Jetta: 25.5 × 3.23 ÷ 1.365 = 57.1 kg·m/ton
Civic: 24.5 × 4.81 ÷ 1.309 = 90 kg·m/ton
The Civic consistently outperforms the Jetta in both metrics, which, combined with its superior suspension and design, explains its global popularity.

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